So, I got really bored tonight, and bugged At&t about it again. This time, I played dumb, pretending I just wanted to see websites that have extra features for IPv6 users. ( hinted at bert.secret-wg.org. ) Toward the end, I start to bring up the issue of IPv4 depletion. This is the first time I have successfully gotten on tech support's nerves to the point that they suggested I google it. w00t. Once again, I removed the beginning and ending junk: Arianna has joined this session! System Connected with Arianna Arianna Thank you for contacting AT&T Internet Services. How can I help you? You hi, i want to undersand why i cant get IPv6 yet? you dont offer it, why : ( Arianna Mr. Sniderman, I understand your question and I'm glad to assist you with your query. Arianna Please do not worry, I am here to help you. Arianna I would like to inform you that our servers are not updated for IPv6. Arianna It will take some time in updating them. You i see... how long will all this take? and what if i want to see a website that uses it now? Arianna I am sorry, we not make any commitment now. Arianna I would like to inform you that there would be no website which is running on IPv6. You ok, but like, ppl are running outta ipv4 addrresses and stuff, plus, there are some sites ive already wanted to visit that need ipv6 , or that have more stuff on ipv6 You yes, there are You i saw one website, it is normal without ipv6, but with ipv6 they have pictures of turtles, it says so. i wanna see them. You why would there *not* b websites with ipv6 ? Arianna Because of policies and restriction over the Ipv6 use. Arianna It is still under the development phase. You so, websites are not allowed to use ipv6 ? You ahh You i see, so its not ebing used like for public sites yet? im a little confused? You you stil there? Arianna Yes. Arianna I am sorry, we do not have expertise over the IPv6. You oh, so i cant see those websites? because or policy and restrictions over its usages? Arianna The knowledge which I am providing you, is from my own experience. You ok, but like google even has ipv6 websites, and i cant even see them, not fair : ( Arianna I am sorry for the inconvenience caused. Arianna I would like to inform you that these days no ISP provider is using IPV6. You none at all? Arianna Also the website using IPV6 are very less. You but if no isp using it, how can there be websites using it? You and like, if noone using it yet, and we running out of regular ipv4 addresses oh so very quickly, then what? no ip's for anyone at all? Arianna I am sorry, we can assist you only with the IPv4 queries. Arianna We do not have expertise over the IPv6. You yes but the world is running out of IPv4 You then what You will i still have internet? You will it still work? You like in a couple of years when noone uses IPv4 anymore, cuz none left, how will my dsl at home let me do anything? Arianna If it will work out, then we will update the IPv6. You i see, but thats only a couple of years away prollly, and ipv6 it seems must be harder to work with cuz noone have expertise in it. so how will that happen so fast? You and who will explain to me how to use it? You like will i turn on my computer one day and suddenly everything will have switched over Arianna You can find all the answer of your question in the below mentioned web link. Arianna Arianna pushes page, http://www.google.com You ok, thanks. i see they dont have AAAA records for www.google.com, ok. but for ipv6.google.com it is CNAME to domain that does. so... ok, ipv6 we need it, please hurry up. Arianna Thank you. You thank you You later Arianna We will surely consider your nominations. Arianna *recommendation.

XS4All provides IPv6 connectivity using tunnels for a couple of years now. Recently they started a large scale test trail providing native IPv6 for endusers using ADSL routers.

I am sure that ARIN loves to know about them purchasing IP addresses. They are merely borrowing them, nothing more, nothing less. I would love to see the full report on that. I guess the person who wrote that mail should really be going to an ARIN meeting soon :) Why would somebody else have these things, are they not their own ISP? First IPv6 where available already 10 years ago. And I think that a lot of people would lvoe to talk to this person on how 'not difficult' it is to upgrade to IPv6, then again this person plans another 10 years ahead. Since when is all Cisco gear fully IPv6 compliant without bugs? :) And 6to4 is something they don't have to care about, only thing they can/should do is add a 6to4 relay, but technically they don't have to. I think though that this person thinks that 6to4 is some kind of application proxy, instead of a tunneling relay. Thus it isn't so 'not difficult' at all afterwards? Must be first level support you got this from, otherwise I would suggest to abandon all ships over there ;)

Officially (ARIN rules) they should be providing you with either a /56 or /48, if they are not they are not meeting their allocation requirements which they filed when requesting the subnet. Then again, I would not complain too much about that little tid-bit, be happy that they are already providing IPv6 ;) The big problem with customer-facing gear is that you need to upgrade it, also you need to upgrade both the customers CPE and the thing that terminates it. These can also cause issues (eg some clients barf when they see PPPv6) that you rather avoid, especially for the load of support calls that it will generate. As IPv6 currently has no real value for most users, avoiding those calls and thus the costs that come along with it, is probably a smart idea for most ISP's. They could of course, if their system allows and they want to etc etc, turn native IPv6 on as a trail service to clients on a per-port basis, but that might also sometimes break things for other users. I've heard too many horror stories about various vendors having strange bugs that I can understand quite well that some ISP rather wait for others to fall into them and get them fixed.

I realize that it is roughly 1-1/2 years since the last post on this thread. I spoke with my ISP about this question about a month ago and they said that they will offer IPv6 when there is customer demand for it. I asked him how many customers have asked about IPv6. They said, including me, 1. People, we're going about this all wrong. Instead of talking about the places which are not running IPv6, we should be talking about places that are running IPv6. At my work, I have a customer who is doing a rollout of IPv6 to the handsets, but he is using our product as a full proxy from IPv6 to IPv4, so the customers won't see it. Jeff Silverman