Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Shadow Hawkins on Saturday, 12 March 2011 12:17:15
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
(http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6)
I'd like to use IPv6 Google Services - how to activate this?
nslookup www.google.com nscache.eu.sixxs.net
Server:nscache.eu.sixxs.net
Address:2001:16d8:aaaa:3::2#53
Non-authoritative answer:
www.google.comcanonical name = www.l.google.com.
Name:www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.230.144
Name:www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.230.147
Name:www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.230.146
Name:www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.230.145
Name:www.l.google.com
Address: 74.125.230.148
ping6 www.google.com
PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:4dd0:fed8::226:4aff:fe18:43d8 --> 2a00:1450:8004::69
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:8004::69, icmp_seq=0 hlim=53 time=39.674 ms
16 bytes from 2a00:1450:8004::69, icmp_seq=1 hlim=53 time=63.718 ms
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Jeroen Massar on Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:04:04
I am really wondering if your post is a question or a statement, especially as you are showing the answer already ;)
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Shadow Hawkins on Saturday, 12 March 2011 14:19:15 Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Yes. I use it every day.
I'd like to use IPv6 Google Services - how to activate this?
Use the SixXS resolvers. They are whitelisted by Google and so will return AAAA records for Google hosts. None-whitelisted resolvers such as those of your ISP get only A records. This is because there are reportedly some Windows systems out there that will hang if given both A and AAAA records when they do not have IPv6 connectivity.
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Jeroen Massar on Saturday, 12 March 2011 15:40:31
The whitelisting is primarily to make sure that the ISPs who are providing the AAAA records to their customers have the ability to fix and understand IPv6 issues.
The prime reason for that being that if you can't reach Google, you will go to Yahoo or something else, and thus they lose eyeballs, and that is money.
I do not know of a single Windows box which has IPv6 support which cannot properly handle A + AAAA records. What is known is that there are "firewalls" that do not support IPv6 and thus drop any kind of unknown packets, thus including IPv6; DNS resolvers in NAT boxes which don't properly handle A+AAAA and of course the most common one there: broken connectivity. That is not platform specific, thus nothing to blame Microsoft for.
Just google "Ubuntu IPv6" or anything else like that and you will find hundreds of ways of disabling IPv6. Microsoft is doing a great IPv6 job with Direct Access and that all their platforms support IPv6.
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Shadow Hawkins on Saturday, 12 March 2011 16:30:22 The whitelisting is primarily to make sure that the ISPs who are providing the AAAA records to their customers have the ability to fix and understand IPv6 issues.
Some months ago someone told me about a large access provider whose DNS resolvers are white listed by Google. Even without having IPv6 enabled for their customers they had a first IPv6 related support call:
A user running Windows was wondering about a strange tracert output. Somehow his
Windows was using teredo to connect to IPv6 world and the tracert showed IPv6 addresses.
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Shadow Hawkins on Saturday, 12 March 2011 17:45:15 That is not platform specific...
No, but Windows is the only platform common enough to really matter to Google. There is no business reason for them to make any special allowances for Linux (not that they need to).
...thus nothing to blame Microsoft for.
I'm not blaming them. They are doing an excellent job supporting IPv6. People using ancient and/or misconfigured systems is not their fault. It's still something Google has to allow for, though. Hopefully it will turn out not to be a real problem. We'll find out in June.
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Jeroen Massar on Saturday, 12 March 2011 18:17:27
If you mean the "ipv6 day" thing, the only problem that will occur is that people who have IPv6 stacks enabled but broken connectivity will suddenly have long timeouts for host which add AAAA records which will result in ISPs getting a large amount of phonecalls for those, for the rest nothing will change.
Does sixxs.net support Google over IPv6 ?
Shadow Hawkins on Saturday, 12 March 2011 21:42:22
I don't usually stick up for MS, but the only brokenness I know of with MS is:
1) Internet Connection Sharing and rogue router advertisements (very bad for the LAN!)
2) Opera did some bad things for a while on Windows.
One of the larger sources of broken clients is Macs running 6to4 and not running the most recent version(s) of Snow Leopard. Many of these are behind security devices that block 6to4, or they just have crummy 6to4 service where they are on the network. Either way, they preferred 6to4 connectivity over IPv4 in all but the most recent versions of OS X (note that there is a non-trivial install base that can't be upgraded as 10.6.xx doesn't support all Macs), even when the 6to4 was broken. In other words, Mac OS used to not properly implement RFC 3484.
http://ripe61.ripe.net/presentations/162-ripe61.pdf
Certainly there are plenty of Windows machines with broken IPv6 connectivity (for someone like Google, that might be tens of thousands of users), but there are far, far more broken Macs in absolute numbers. And there used to be even more users running Opera on Windows, which was broken.
For more details of what broken implementations do:
http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Customer_problems_that_could_occur
At the end of the day, though, it doesn't matter if Windows or Mac or Linux is better. What matters is that we have to get people to fix these broken implementations before anyone will want to publish AAAA records for public web sites.
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